'PACI 2,317 Posted September 29, 2014 Boas. Antes de mais, isto não é um tutorial, e eu não dou suporte.Recentemente tem havido muita movimentação entre o Metin2 SG / TEC Interactive, como queiram chamar, e o World of Metin2. Para aqueles que pensam que o Metin2 SG é oficial, deixem-me esclarecer-vos que não é. É um servidor privado que tenta passar por um oficial através do nome da (antiga) TEC Interactive, que atualmente não existe, portanto tudo o que ouvirem dizer sobre o SG ser oficial e tal, TEC, e tal. É tudo mentira. O principal objetivo do SG é o dinheiro. Claro.. *thanks captain obvious* iria ser o quê se não isso. Como sabem, ou não, o WoM2 provém da antiga dev team do SG, mais concretamente do BigSox aka Shogun, que saíram de lá devido à corrupção e infantilidade do administrador, Christopher Chia. Recebi recentemente um e-mail do SG, pergunto-me "Como? Se nunca me registei nele." A resposta é simples. Os cães do Chris estão constantemente a mandar ataques ao WoM e a dar leak dos ficheiros deles. E dado que nas bases de dados constam todos os e-mails de todas as contas, eles basicamente enviam estes e-mails para todas essas pessoas. Agora umas curiosidades. Sabiam que o SG guarda todas e cada uma das mensagens privadas mantidas pelos jogadores? Supostamente isto serve para a segurança do servidor, eu acho que se alguma vez coloca-se isso seria apenas para saber como os GM falam com os jogadores. No entanto, o Chris usava as mensagens guardadas para procurar conversas de âmbito sexual. Sabiam que o SG tem fotos reais dos seus jogadores? Eis dois exemplos: - http://www.metin2.sg/newres/playerpics/Aliyah.jpg - http://www.metin2.sg/newres/playerpics/BigCrazy.jpg O Chris ainda fez uma tentativa de, digamos, denunciar o WoM à YMIR, com um e-mail à Serina, a dizer que o WoM era um servidor privado que afirmava ser um oficial da Nova Zelândia. Além disso, dizendo que o WoM comprou o World Editor oficial e que o revendeu por 1,000€ além do source-code ao Underground Reloaded por 8,000€. From: Christopher [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 12:34 PM To: 강유주 Cc: [email protected]; Christopher Chia Tien Hee Subject: [iNFORMATION]: SERVER FILE LEAKAGE Hi Serina, Here are more information gathered from the German Metin2 fan site under Elitepvpers. According to one of the members from Underground Reloaded, they have obtained the source file from the patchserver - patch.metin.co.kr under a folder named blub and there was an archive.tgz and a dev.tgz. They downloaded the files from the folder as well as some other file name in the freebsd temp folder which is a symlink to the said folder. It has also been confirmed that the map editor which is a (.exe) file has been sold to few of the larger private servers. A private server who claimed to be an official New Zealand Metin2 server under the domain www.metin2.co.nz has bought the map editor and reselling it for 1,000 EURO. We are not sure if they have also bought the source file from Underground Reloaded which has been priced at 8,000 EURO. Some of the large private servers have claimed to be in possession of the source file. However, they did not publish any image to support their claims. The owner of Underground Reloaded, by the nickname of Deskorner, has created a recruitment thread in Elitepvpers hiring programmers. They are in preparation to start a massive emulation work on the source file to build a new game. We have obtained the contact number of Deskorner (+49 15785060709). Meanwhile, news about the leak of Metin2 source file has reached the Italian Metin2 fan site under www.inforge.net and the Polish Metin2 fan site under www.mpcforum.pl. We believe some of the larger Metin2 private servers will approach Underground Reloaded or Metin2 New Zealand (also known as World of Metin2) to purchase the source file and the map editor. The current situation is not good for Metin2. There has been no action done by the European Metin2 official publisher "Gameforge" to step in with deterrence effort to curb the widespread of the source file distribution and selling. When such news reach to the Metin2 community, we are worry that it may affect our revenue. Players may lose their faith with Metin2 and look forward to an emulated version with a cheaper cash shop pricing and updated content. The competitive rift between the official and private Metin2 publishers will be widened at our disadvantage. This morning, I have briefed the management Board from Raffles Venture Partners about the incident and we would like to put on hold the proposal of the second server. In consideration, we are worry that additional marketing budget for the 2nd server may be jeopardized by news of the server file leakage, thus dampening new registration due to eventual competition from some of those emulated version which managed to leech on the usage of the source file. Regardless, we would monitor the severity of the problem and provide feedback to Webzen Ymir Games on our findings with a common interest to mitigate the adverse effect of the leakage. We would also be grateful if you could update us on your approach in this matter as well as your senior management views on it. Perhaps, it is the right time to take down some of the larger private servers to send a strong signal of warning and temporarily create a threat to stop the further distribution of the source file and map editor. We look forward to hearing from you. Best Regards, -- Christopher CHIA | TEC Interactive Chief Executive Officer Tec Interactive Pte Ltd 35 Tai Seng Street #01-01 Singapore 534103 T: (65) 8200 4255 | F: (65) 6898 8881 No seguinte spoiler, encontra-se a conversa entre o Dulaan, cachorrinho do Chris, e Robin Nibor aka iMer, dev do Underground Reloaded. [17.03.2013 22:21:13] Robin Nibor: regarding your offer [17.03.2013 22:25:22] *** Dulaan has shared contact details with Robin Nibor. *** [17.03.2013 22:30:09] Dulaan: Hi, are you there? [17.03.2013 22:34:49] Robin Nibor: Hey [17.03.2013 22:36:25] Dulaan: Hi, first of all, I have to ask you how many online players your server has and if you are using new items (such as new weapons , maps, etc) [17.03.2013 22:37:57] Robin Nibor: online player depends, afternoon/evening usually around 1k and yes, we are using new items - is that a problem? [17.03.2013 22:39:07] Dulaan: Mmmh, it is actually, of course we can't open an official server with for example World of Warcraft items [17.03.2013 22:39:16] Dulaan: But we can work out something anyway [17.03.2013 22:40:03 | Edited 22:40:11] Robin Nibor: makes sense - there would always be the possibility to replace those with own made ones if copyright is the only issue [17.03.2013 22:41:08] Dulaan: I know, in fact we just need to see how many new items you have, and which level cap you have. At least we can make some change to make it legal [17.03.2013 22:41:13] Dulaan: By the way, let me show you in what our offer consist: [17.03.2013 22:45:36] Dulaan: Our offer is to make your server official and legal doing this: - All the earnings have to go to the TEC Interactive corporate accounts(I mean for example to Tec Interactive PayPal account). At the end of every month we'll send you 33% of the earnings, the other 66% will be kept (So you'll get 33% of the earnings, and TEC the other 66%). Of course you have to remember that we will increase the earnings because the players will pay more when they'll se that it's an official server And we'll also implement new ways to pay (mobile, surveys, paypal, etc). So even with a 33% you'll earn a lot more than now as a private server - We'll update your server with the newest YMIR updates, including the new fifth class known as The Wild Man which will be available in a few months. This new update will put all the others private servers in troubles because they won't get the fifth class and all the others new things, so they will lose a lot of players Instead of joining the GF servers, they will hopefully join your server that will have those updates. - We'll give you access to the list of the payments, so you can check that we are not stealing your money - You'll need to keep managing the players (Managing the team, helping players, etc), I will handle the tech part with Tim, who is German and is our server engineer. So you won't need to make new updates or something anything similiar [17.03.2013 22:46:26] Dulaan: I don't know how much money you are making now but I can tell you that metin2.ph (Which is our new official server with 80-100 online players) generated 20000 $ in the first month (24 days actually), because it's an official server and people trust it. You have 1000 online players, so you can see how much money you will earn if you accept our offer. [17.03.2013 22:47:25] Dulaan: I know that this offer may look strange but you can see that our intention is to make you and us gain from this, legally [17.03.2013 22:49:53] Robin Nibor: It indeed is strange.. [sonntag, 17. März 2013 22:45] Dulaan: <<< So you won't need to make new updates or something anything similiarWhat if we want to? Like f.e. implement a new event or something - may it be as simple as adding a new drop for a holiday Will we still be allowed to? [17.03.2013 22:50:44] Dulaan: Yes, I was speaking about implementing for example new maps, equipment, etc [17.03.2013 22:51:26] Dulaan: The server will be also yours, you can of course decide what to do with it. In that case you can just speak with me and we can see what to do [17.03.2013 22:51:36] Dulaan: If you want to put a new quest, you can speak with me [17.03.2013 22:52:56] Dulaan: Of course you won't be able to put new updates (a new map for example) without speaking with us [17.03.2013 22:56:55] Robin Nibor: makes sense so is this an official thing tec interactive does now or do you just do this "behind their backs"? (Don't want to offend you or anything, but I'd rather be sure everything is ok than regret i didn't later on) [17.03.2013 22:57:25] Robin Nibor: well - to be honest the question alone is ridiculos, someone would notice at least the payments [17.03.2013 22:57:50] Dulaan: Exactly, Tec Interactive won't be hiding [17.03.2013 22:58:00] Dulaan: and everyone will know about this just for the fact of the payments [17.03.2013 22:58:14] Dulaan: We will put our logos, etc [17.03.2013 22:59:12] Dulaan: Players need to know this is official and that the server is managed from Tec Interactive, our they won't trust it [17.03.2013 22:59:59 | Edited 23:00:06] Dulaan: And if they won't trust it, they won't pay as much as they would, and it will be of course a damage for the server's reputation [17.03.2013 23:01:04] Robin Nibor: so how does everything work on the lawyerish side? Do we (as in the people who "own" the server) create a new company and work as some kind of sub-company of yours - or do we work for tec-interactive? I mean if we go legal with the server itself we should also go legal with money (as in pay taxes and stuff) [17.03.2013 23:01:49] Dulaan: Taxes will be paid in Singapore, you can probably get the money without any problem [17.03.2013 23:02:06] Dulaan: But I don't know the laws of Germany, you should speak with someone know can help you [17.03.2013 23:02:54] Robin Nibor: germanys tax system is a goddamn pain.. one of the most complicated ones on the world as far as i know.. [17.03.2013 23:04:20] Dulaan: Mmmh, I guess the worst is that you need to open a new company, but you should be able to pay a lot less taxes than normal, because taxes already been paid in Singapore [17.03.2013 23:04:51] Dulaan: Still, you should need to check it with a lawyer or a business consultat who can help you [17.03.2013 23:06:02] Robin Nibor: Yea - would've done that anyways Thanks for your time I'll talk to my colleague about this tomorrow and I'll tell you what we decided on :) [17.03.2013 23:06:41] Dulaan: Ok, thank you. If you are interested, we will check what to do with the issue of the new items, but don't worry we can work out something [17.03.2013 23:07:07] Dulaan: Ah, what's the maximum level ? [17.03.2013 23:08:29] Robin Nibor: technically there is none, but it's impossible to go above 133 (..or noone has got enough time to achieve that yet) [17.03.2013 23:08:44] Dulaan: Ok I see [17.03.2013 23:09:37] Dulaan: I think we can do something to solve it, but we will need also to speak with Christopher, who is the CEO of Tec Interactive [17.03.2013 23:13:03] Robin Nibor: Otherwise it might be better to start fresh - but we'll see Like I said, I'm gonna talk to my colleague and report back to you [17.03.2013 23:13:47] Dulaan: Great, so I'll wait for an answer tomorrow. Thank you! [17.03.2013 23:14:25] Dulaan: See you tomorrow! Bye! :) [17.03.2013 23:14:36] Robin Nibor: bye~ [17.03.2013 23:15:09] Dulaan: If you have questions, I'm of course here, I'll answer you as soon as I can. [21.03.2013 17:41:04] Dulaan: Hi, are you there? [23.03.2013 15:21:50] Dulaan: Hi, I just want to let you know that we're still waiting for an answer. You have spoken with your colleagues? [23.03.2013 15:22:03] Robin Nibor: Oh sorry! I totally forgot about you [23.03.2013 15:22:06] Robin Nibor: ..and hi ^^' [23.03.2013 15:25:19] Dulaan: np :) Do you have news about our offer? [23.03.2013 15:27:08] Robin Nibor: So, I've talked to him and concluded it probably wouldn't be possible to convert our current server to an official one - it just wouldn't fit. Beginning with high gold rates (it's practially worth nothing and you constantly have to watch you don't exceed the 2billion mark) and other things We are still interested in your offer though. If you were ok with that, we would be willing to start completely fresh (leaving the other one running as long as players are playing on it - we don't want to upset anyone) and advertising it too. This would allow us to do everything to your liking [23.03.2013 15:28:30] Dulaan: Mmmh, can I first see a description of your server, so I can see exactly which new items you have, etc ? [23.03.2013 15:29:15] Dulaan: As for the gold rate, can't you just reduce it if it is too slow? We don't need to put it as an official server, just reduce it to avoid the bugs [23.03.2013 15:30:42] Robin Nibor: The problem with that is the users want the high rate, otherways they'll bitch about not having enough gold even if we have the same price ratio (as in just divide all gold sums by 100) - i've personaly been through that topic multiple times [23.03.2013 15:31:15] Dulaan: I see, are you using gold bars? [23.03.2013 15:32:59] Robin Nibor: not exactly gold bars, but there are items for storing big amounts of gold - we're thinking about expanding those to 10billion gold per item as they can't trade items anymore (currently there is a limit of 3000billion gold per trade..) [23.03.2013 15:33:12] Robin Nibor: it's pretty fucked up if you think about it [23.03.2013 15:33:25] Dulaan: yes, it is lol [23.03.2013 15:33:35] Robin Nibor: ..and to be honest i'm kind of sick of dealing with these sorts of things [23.03.2013 15:34:05] Dulaan: what if you fix this problem completely, saying you are forced to reduce the yang drop rates because you are becoming an official server? [23.03.2013 15:34:13] Dulaan: Players will accept, I guess [23.03.2013 15:36:00] Dulaan: We could also put a system that allows player to exchange yangs for in-game items [23.03.2013 15:36:09] Dulaan: so the amount of yangs will be reduced [23.03.2013 15:36:14] Dulaan: (or yangs for item shop coins) [23.03.2013 15:36:30 | Edited 15:36:31] Dulaan: By the way, if you open a new old-style server, how much people you think you will have online? [23.03.2013 15:39:13 | Edited 15:39:27] Robin Nibor: well if we get all the new features like you said it shouldn't be too bad, we would be the only one with those - but I don't really know, you can't predict those things [23.03.2013 15:40:29] Dulaan: I don't know how the new German servers are going. Usually how much online players a new German server gets? [23.03.2013 15:40:34] Dulaan: around 200-300? [23.03.2013 15:40:37] Dulaan: or more? [23.03.2013 15:46:42] Robin Nibor: new servers? depends - if you're a noname and you don't advertive it, probably not enough to get money out of it -> it's offline within 1-2 month if you are popular and you hype and advertise it enough, you can probably hit 200 in the first day at all comes down to luck though - I've seen shitty servers get thousands while well thought out ones die within the first month cause they don't get enough attention [23.03.2013 15:47:35] Dulaan: Ok I see [23.03.2013 15:47:50] Robin Nibor: What's it like in other countries? [23.03.2013 15:48:05] Dulaan: Very similiar actually [23.03.2013 16:13:54] Dulaan: I guess we can't do that thing of a new server as we need an already-started server and we are searching for high-population servers [23.03.2013 16:14:30] Dulaan: do you think we can find a way to solve the issue of the yangs in your first server? [23.03.2013 16:38:19] Robin Nibor: idk, I'll talk to my colleage again [24.03.2013 13:54:54] Dulaan: Hi, have you found any way to fix the gold rate issue? [24.03.2013 14:00:19 | Edited 14:00:30] Dulaan: I've seen your game, I think that it's too hard to make it similiar to an official server, because there are too much different things. I'm gonna speak with the CEO of Tec Interactive to see if we can keep all those implementation and still being official and legal [24.03.2013 14:00:53] Dulaan: In that case the gold issue won't be a problem anymore [25.03.2013 14:57:41] Dulaan: Hi, I spoke with the CEO of Tec Interactive, if you accept our offer you can keep everything as it is [25.03.2013 14:58:01] Dulaan: Even the gold issue won't be a problem, but it's of course better if we find a fix for it [26.03.2013 17:13:32] Dulaan: Hi [26.03.2013 17:22:30] Robin Nibor: hi [26.03.2013 17:25:09] Dulaan: are you still interested in our offer? Because I wrote you that we haven't problem about the gold issue and we can make your first server official and legal without any problem [26.03.2013 17:25:23] Dulaan: We can keep the server as it is now [26.03.2013 17:26:03 | Edited 17:26:10] Robin Nibor: We're still debating about this, so no final decision yet [26.03.2013 17:26:22] Dulaan: I see, if you have any question, I'm here [29.03.2013 22:03:50] Dulaan: Hi, have you decided if you want to become an official and legal server or not? [30.03.2013 16:35:47] Dulaan: Hi, just wanted to let you know that we're still waiting for an answer. Aquilo que é de salientar aí é esta parte: [17.03.2013 22:45:36] Dulaan: Our offer is to make your server official and legal doing this: - All the earnings have to go to the TEC Interactive corporate accounts(I mean for example to Tec Interactive PayPal account). At the end of every month we'll send you 33% of the earnings, the other 66% will be kept (So you'll get 33% of the earnings, and TEC the other 66%). Of course you have to remember that we will increase the earnings because the players will pay more when they'll se that it's an official server And we'll also implement new ways to pay (mobile, surveys, paypal, etc). So even with a 33% you'll earn a lot more than now as a private server - We'll update your server with the newest YMIR updates, including the new fifth class known as The Wild Man which will be available in a few months. This new update will put all the others private servers in troubles because they won't get the fifth class and all the others new things, so they will lose a lot of players Instead of joining the GF servers, they will hopefully join your server that will have those updates. - We'll give you access to the list of the payments, so you can check that we are not stealing your money - You'll need to keep managing the players (Managing the team, helping players, etc), I will handle the tech part with Tim, who is German and is our server engineer. So you won't need to make new updates or something anything similiar [17.03.2013 22:46:26] Dulaan: I don't know how much money you are making now but I can tell you that metin2.ph (Which is our new official server with 80-100 online players) generated 20000 $ in the first month (24 days actually), because it's an official server and people trust it. You have 1000 online players, so you can see how much money you will earn if you accept our offer. Basicamente, foi uma tentativa de venda de uma Licença Falsa. O ataque recente por parte do SG ao WoM, foi um ato de phishing. Tendo eles enviado um e-mail deste género a todos os jogadores do WoM: Outras coisas a ter em conta: - http://pastebin.com/ySUK7urK - http://pastebin.com/7QXAgptX - Chris a vender uma licença falsa ao Dulaan e ao Exsta. Agora, isto tudo para quê?https://mega.co.nz/#!f9IxBZBS!L4UZToWD1L-WrcaleAhm31WZtkH2GxfGgfRCmCzXD9g Divirtam-se =D 10 Morfo69, K3nkσz, ÉsDrementeZ5 and 7 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AdeusParaSempre-@Zé 254 Posted September 29, 2014 Por acaso gostei disso, deu-me menos trabalho a traduzir quests e a fazer um painel de admin no site ;) Espero que sg e wom continuem à guerra, nós é que beneficiamos ;) P.S: há os 2 outros link, que também contêm a source [do wom] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
'PACI 2,317 Posted September 29, 2014 A source não tem nada de útil. SG não recebe updates da YMIR, portanto. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ɱɑcɑcѳ 71 Posted September 29, 2014 Como é que eles têm fotos dos jogadores O.o ? Pelo email? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
'PACI 2,317 Posted September 29, 2014 Não sei, não quero saber, nem quero imaginar como ou o porquê. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Epsilon 114 Posted September 29, 2014 Mas coiso... Infantilidade é uma coisa muito natural em administadores de privados de metin. Paci, continuo a insistir em dizer-te que teria enorme prazer em criar um servidor para divertir uma comunidade inteira com o lucro suficiente para pagar a dedicada e não ter despesas. Kiss na prima. Mais Boa ;D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xXBoyDarkXx 328 Posted September 29, 2014 Mas coiso... Infantilidade é uma coisa muito natural em administadores de privados de metin. Paci, continuo a insistir em dizer-te que teria enorme prazer em criar um servidor para divertir uma comunidade inteira com o lucro suficiente para pagar a dedicada e não ter despesas. Kiss na prima. Mais Boa ;D So why don't you do that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unk3n0w7 1,321 Posted September 29, 2014 r.i.p tiagovski Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thecrazy 1,193 Posted September 29, 2014 So why don't you do that? Se calhar não tem recursos para tal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Epsilon 114 Posted September 29, 2014 So why don't you do that? Não tenho conhecimento para isso e mesmo que tivesse, de momento também não tenho dinheiro para investir. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Auros ( ͡ʘ ͜ʖ ͡ʘ) 172 Posted September 29, 2014 Bem como jogador antigo deste pseudo servidor tenho de dizer varias coisas: A parte boa é que alem de se fazer por um grande oficial *cof* *cof* é o item shop ser negociável no jogo, o que atraia bastante gente antigamente e atraiu me a mim, basicamente tenho uma conta la a ganhar po desde 2012 a nivel 87, deixei de jogar isto mal soube desta historia toda porque não queria ser vitima ou ver esta historia a desenvolver se, posso dizer que nunca gastei um € nesta trapalhada. Quer dizer, no natal de 2011 andava aquelas promoções dos tec points grátis em que fazias um questionário (lel) e ganhavas uns tantos tec, mas mesmo assim não gastei. Sobre as conversas serem gravadas, epa isso eu já desconfiava porque vários colegas meus eram banidos de repente e chegamos a conclusão que era das conversas sobre hacks entre ele e outros jogadores. Isso das fotos foi um tópico criado por um jogador para os outros postarem fotos deles, ou seja, eles tiveram acesso a isso porque os jogadores as colocaram lá no forúm. Já não vou la a muito mas sei que foi de um tópico. BigSox foi um grande admin no SG, sempre gostei da forma de ele comandar as coisas, o Shia nunca falei com ele, mas pelas atitudes vê se a grande pessoa. Bem vou ficar por aqui. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MagicToMaster 124 Posted September 29, 2014 Ainda bem que isto nunca me deu interesse, nem WoM nem SG!Let them fight! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Auros ( ͡ʘ ͜ʖ ͡ʘ) 172 Posted September 29, 2014 A uns tempos atrás ouvia se muito sobre isto, mas no fim deu nisto Share this post Link to post Share on other sites